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Comment

Sebastien H.B. [2009-08-21 17:20] Comment ID: 1971

Il faut plusieures choses pour faire du Canada un chef de file en matière d'économie numérique:

- admettre, ENFIN, que les IPods ou équivalents servent a diffuser de la musique (Cour Supreme, je m'adresse a vous.) pour récupérer des fonds sur leur vente, comme avec les CD vierges/cartes flash/etc
- Révision du systeme de comptabilisation des executions publique. La SODRAC est sur la bonne voie, mais si le Canada se préoccupe réellement des droits d'auteurs, nous devrions comptabiliser l'intégrité des playlist, et non de simples échantillons.
- D'ailleurs, il y a 20 ans, c'était plein de bon sens, question paperasse, de ne faire qu'un sampling. Demandez a n'importe quel programmeur de vous faire un script automatisé permettant le calcul intégral des executions, et voila.
- Les fournisseurs internet et cellulaire doivent cesser de faire la sourde oreille, a commencer par le pietre Bernard Lord (référence: Ce dernier a passé une heure et plus a noyer le poisson lors des plus récentes rencontres de l'adisq; Cela a été tres mal percu, et a confirmé le désintérêt le plus total de ce dernier a trouver une réelle solution, et d'avoir une vraie discussion structurante sur le sujet). Ceux-ci doivent admettre et reconnaitre qu'ils ne vendent que l'accè s a des tuyaux, et que ceux-ci finiront par se vider si on ne rétribue pas les créateurs.
- Révision en profondeur des systemes de financements, notamment Musicaction (bravo pour le programme de 4 titre numérique, un pas dans la bonne direction).
- Finalement, je citerais a contribution les derniers sondages qui ont prouvé que la culture était l'un des domaines ou les investissements étaient le plus rentable, et ou l'argent devenait la plus structurante. en tant que tel, il s'agit, a mon sens, d'une double preuve comme quoi c'est un domaine sur lequel on peut bâtir.

Il faut par ailleurs, ne jamais perdre de vue que la culture est la fibre de notre société, et que sans elle, ce sera bleu nuit sur toute la ligne.

Musicien, Ēditeur

Comment

Doc Mart'n [2009-08-21 12:34] Comment ID: 1943

Faire de l'écnomie numérique un espace beaucoup plus libre que ne l'est l'économie physique que nous connaissons actuellement. Ēliminer tous les parasites intermédiaires entre les créateurs et leur public-cible. Donc, un système moins lourdeau, moins coûteux pour le payeur, attirerait bien plus de gens. Comme le dit le vieux dicton: Vaut mieux vendre 1000 produits à 1 dollar de profit que seulement 10 à 10 dollars de profit. L'industrie de l'art n'a jamais voulu se plier à cette rè gle, préférant toujours pécher par gourmandise, pour le pactole. Sachant que les amateurs de musique, de films ou de hockey sont comme des drogués, cette industrie ne s'est jamais gênée pour en exploiter les faiblesses. Maintenant, avec internet, elle peut difficelement le faire. Que cette industrie se réveille et joue selon les mêmes rè gles que tous les autres.

Comment

ealloi [2009-08-20 00:43] Comment ID: 1879

Le Canada est massivement en retard pour la diffusion numérique. Je voyais derniè rement sur un site qu'au Japon, on peut télécharger à 20 Mb/s alors qu'au Canada c'est 5.53 Mb/s. Pourquoi est-ce ainsi? Est-ce que les diffuseurs de télévision et de cable veulent nous maintenir dans la pauvreté réseau? Pourquoi ne pas faire d'Internet une richesse nationale publique et ainsi rendre possible la création de "télévisions Internet", d'oeuvres appartenant aux nouveaux médias, etc. L'installation des réseaux à trè s large bande passante demande des investissement à l'échelle nationale, mais permettrait, par exemple, aux entreprises de travailler en temps réel sur des projets qui demandent d'énormes quantités d'information (ex. effets spéciaux au cinéma, mastering de chansons, etc.). Quand je pense qu'en Lithuanie, on peut téléverser (upload) à 8.81 Mb/s, alors qu'au Canada c'est 1.01 Mb/s. Argh! J'ai honte…
http://www.speedtest.net/global.php

Comment

Daniel Bouliane [2009-08-19 13:41] Comment ID: 1835

Il est aussi évident qu'il faudrait favoriser la concurrence entre les différents fournisseurs d'accès internet et aussi de la téléphonie sans fil. Cela aurait pour effet de favoriser de meilleurs prix aux consommateurs, ce qui pourrait en augmenter le nombre et ainsi favoriser le développement d'applications pour ceux-ci provenant du canada.
En plus si nous avons davantage de diversité au niveau culturelle, il y a plus de chances que nous développions ce qui pourrait contenter un public à l'extérieur de notre pays. Plus de musique, plus de films fait ici, plus d'exportations potentielles.
Il faut être des chefs de file lorsque nous sommes envahies par des pirates aussi. Il faut faire des pressions sur des pays tel la Russie, la Chine pour faire fermer les sites ou l'on vend de faà§on illégale la musique et les films qui se font ici. Il faut aussi poursuive les compagnies canadienne qui envisage de faire de même en offrant des services d'hébergement à des compagnies semblables. Malheureusement, il faut aussi resserrer l'étau sur les fraudeurs avec des lois plus importantes et efficaces.

Les gens doivent faire face à la réalité de notre économie s'il n'ont pas le choix. Si la musique et les films doivent devenir gratuits, alors le pétrole, la nourriture et tout le reste aussi. Il en va de la santé de l'industrie culturelle au Canada.
La productivité ne doit pas se faire au détriment de l'emploi, tout ajustement à la loi doit tenir compte de ce principe.

Comment

trimoda [2009-08-19 03:55] Comment ID: 1801

To quote dundee's own phrase, "what an ignorant view of the world".

Further down here he says
"professional writers are leaving the field because the artists cant afford to pay them anything….even "successful" bands cant make a living touring…because the labels used to pay the bands "tour support" in anticipation of selling cd's. now the bands are on their own, and with the high expense of touring and promoting concerts, it's only viable for the huge artists like U2, Madonna"

By "professional writers" he means professional SONG writers.
Can anyone name one or two whom we will miss for "leaving the field".

His argument about successful bands not making a living touring now because CD sales are down is absurd.

Do the arithmetic.

Good musicians, even stars, have always had a better chance of winning a superlottery than making more than an insignificant amount of money from CD and record sales. What he should be pointing out is that labels want a cut of the touring in return for label status.

Bob Dylan doesn't spend his life sleeping in one hotel after another for fun.
I think it was he who said "Why should you pay for [recordings]? They aren't worth anything."

In my mid-size Canadian town, like in any other, many dozens of musicians are performing every week. They would certainly do better without hassles about music-performance and recording rights.

To mention a few examples: my son's band, my daughter's choir, and that group in Toronto that does superb and historically important performances of operas but can't provide videos.

America put Duke Ellington on a postage stamp but I couldn't find his music until I bought 40 CDs of it in Europe. After converting them I had no further use for them and gave them to a library.

Duke didn't sit on his bum collecting for other people's performances.

Response(s)

dendee [2009-08-24 21:50] Comment ID: 2033 Reply to: 1801

Trimoda, there are many Canadian writers who have been negatively impacted. Names need not be mentioned. You should learn about the current state of real recording artists before commenting. Who works behind the scenes to make your favourite performing artists sound as good and be as entertaining as you expect them to be? Who would Michael Jackson have been without Quincy Jones, and the hundreds of talented musicians, writers and engineers that contributed to his success? Do you know how many big stars could not have made it without contributing creative prefessionals? The internet and expectation of free music has made it unfeasible for these collaborations to occur.

M St.Jean [2009-08-25 02:50] Comment ID: 2039 Reply to: 2033

Again, I believe you must be 40+… and not really seeing the speed of change within our music industry. Artists are making it other ways now technology is cutting out the middle-men and bringing the front-lines closer to the front-stage. Though it is almost 'Orwellian' I don't mind saying goodbye to the traditional celebrities long drawn out dance on the front page. Say hello to Joe blow who is either the toast of the town and a new flavor or waive him/her along until they hone their skill.

dendee [2009-09-10 22:11] Comment ID: 2421 Reply to: 2039

i know plenty of artists who are trying to make a vocation of it using new technology, and in spite of their obvious popularity with the fans, they are struggling to pay the rent. i think you are living in an idealistic dream world. show me the facts there, bud.

wildesmith [2009-09-13 21:32] Comment ID: 2519 Reply to: 1801

I don't see the logic. I think Bob Dylan tours because he loves it. U2 tour because they love it. The Rolling Stones do it because they love it. I really don't think they don't do it to make more money at this point in their careers. Yet they could not deny that all that they are and all that they live is the direct result of reaping reward for their "Songs."
To say a songwriter won't be missed is moot and is akin to saying if a tree falls and no one hears it does it make any noise?
This it is not the point of the copyright debate. It is about protecting property from plagiarism and from others profiteering from work they did not perform. Profit does not have to be monetary. It can simply be the benefit of being able to listen to a song without having paid for it.
This does not preclude emerging artists from allowing their work to be distributed to the "public" for free. This is a healthy decision for an emerging artist to see if they have any potential.
I have played in lots of little bars for SFA and in fact paid to play when all the costs are in. Yet I did so with the knowledge I did this because I loved doing so. This and the hope that perhaps I might win the "lottery" and get to make a living doing what I love. Why is not of value. Is it sour grapes? Are we downloading because we resent others getting "money for nothing" as Dire Straits so succinctly said?
As it turned out I didn't "win" and I quit doing it until such a time as I could afford to personally underwrite my desire to create and play.
Why is it so hard to understand that if me, or you, or them, make something and we like it. Why should we be able to go and get it for nothing and the creator should not be acknowledged for the effort?
I support artists; I buy CD's at live shows and mostly I give them away because I don't want to listen to them after the fact. But I bought it and I paid for it to support the artist. I suppose I could have just walked up and given them $20.00 bucks but I understand the big picture, and just as I need to pay for something to show value they have to provide something to acknowledge my patronage.
What's so hard to accept about this?

Steve Wildesmith

Comment

dendee [2009-08-19 00:53] Comment ID: 1797

Require that an internet user must provide proof or covenants of his/her identity in order to obtain a new email address or profile. Online crime, identity theft, spammers etc could be reduced if security was increased. The internet is currently in the "wild west" phase. Why are we allowing criminals to act anonymously on line? I'm personally willing to give up some privacy in the interest of a more secure internet environment.

Response(s)

jrm [2009-08-19 14:33] Comment ID: 1843 Reply to: 1797

I don't think email is a very common way for people to transfer movies or music or anything else that might been in violation of copyright.

Your idea to reduce spam also shows a big lack of knowledge about how the Internet works.

sjbrown [2009-08-21 11:45] Comment ID: 1937 Reply to: 1797

I know it's trite, but I can't resist quoting Franklin: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

M St.Jean [2009-08-25 02:43] Comment ID: 2038 Reply to: 1797

It's amazing… your using the internet, however I don't think you quite understand it. Lesson #01: the net has grown beyond it's original foundations and is what it is… not what you expect it to be. #02: It is the single largest commodity globally and continues to be only because the vast majority of good outweighs the pittance of bad generated by it. #03: Identity is only relative to that which you want to express- spam is easily controlled if you use the appropriate e-mail or virus client. Identity theft is perpetrated upon those who don't practice safe-surfing. Crime is irrelevant to you as those who can commit this type of crime are not likely to be stopped through any broad strokes (picture making cocaine illegal). #04: Anonymity is the key to finding out who we are as a cyber-culture which leads to growth as a people. Would you want to be persecuted for your viewpoints because it was easier to track you from an anonymous viewpoint to your mailbox… I'm sure there are many oppressed people who live in torn countries who's only solace is their freedom to speak as they will online.

wildesmith [2009-09-13 21:33] Comment ID: 2520 Reply to: 1797

agreed.